Murders to Music: Crime Scene to Music Scene (Streamline Events and Entertainment)
Come on a ride along with a Veteran Homicide Detective as the twists and turns of the job suddenly end his career and nearly his life; discover how something wonderful is born out of the Darkness. Embark on the journey from helping people on their worst days, to bringing life, excitement and smiles on their best days.
Murders to Music: Crime Scene to Music Scene (Streamline Events and Entertainment)
Past, Present and Future: Murders to Music Podcast; 2024 in Review
This episode reflects on a year of growth within the Murders to Music podcast, emphasizing the journey from personal struggle to resilience. Aaron shares heartfelt stories, highlights impactful guest interviews, and invites listeners to engage in the conversation about overcoming obstacles.
• Celebrating 26 years of marriage and gratitude for support
• Evolution from a business-driven podcast to a platform of personal growth
• Importance of sharing vulnerable experiences and human connections
• Recaps of significant guest stories and their resonance with the audience
• Acknowledgment of mental health struggles and normalization of open discussions
• Goals for 2025 include broader engagement and diverse guest invitations
• Encouragement for listeners to share their stories and connect with the podcast
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Murders to Music podcast. My name is Aaron, I'm your host and thank you so much for coming back for this show. So, before I do anything else, I got to do this. Today, thursday January 2nd 2025, is my 26th year anniversary of being married to my beautiful wife, so I just want to say thank you to her for sticking with me through all the years. Thank you for sticking by me when I was an asshole, when I was depressed, when I was suicidal, when my life sucked, and you never lost faith in me. You never lost faith in what we found all those years. Before. I was a cop, and the greatest thing that has probably ever happened to me was coming out of law enforcement, finding myself again decompressing, losing the suit of armor and just becoming the man that had been hidden behind walls of protection for so many years. Getting my sense of humor back, because I am a funny guy, meeting my family for the first time, my kids meeting the father they've never met before, and my wife having her husband back. So thank you so much, I love you so much and thank you for being such an awesome part of my world.
Speaker 1:You know this week, guys, what I want to do is I want to talk a little bit about 2024 and just the whole idea of the Murders to Music podcast. You know, in 2024, I decided that I wanted to launch into a podcast world, and the reason I wanted to do it is I wanted to. Initially I wanted to promote my business of Streamline Events and Entertainment, but then I realized that my messaging about streamline wasn't really going to adapt to audiences very well and I realized that you know my experiences coming out of law enforcement, through law enforcement into the civilian world and the transition from cop to corporate. That really, I think could resonate with people, but not so much even the idea of the transition, but more the obstacles, hurdles and things that I had to overcome along the way, because I realized that as human beings, no matter where we are in this world, we're going to come up against obstacles and we're going to come up against things that we have to overcome. Some of them are things that we can throw money at, and if you can throw money at it, it's not really a problem. Some things are things you can't control. They're outside of your control. Other things could be mental health issues could be the way that we deal with things, the way that we adapt and overcome or the way that we view our circumstances, and it was that that I thought would really resonate. So that's what I did.
Speaker 1:I launched this podcast called the Murders to Music Podcast, and you guys are all faithful listeners I know you have been and what I want to do today is I just want to say thank you for 2024. You guys have come on a ride along with a veteran homicide detective through the ups and downs and the twists and turns and the stuff they don't tell you about in the academy, and through that you have seen the good, the bad and the ugly. I've been open, honest, transparent and sometimes very, very vulnerable with you guys, and I think that is what really has made this show successful. You know, as we come to an end of 2024, I have released 32 different shows. We're in 244 different cities in 81 different countries. There's approximately 3,800 total downloads. That doesn't sound like very much, but for me, doing this alone, trying to get a message out there, I think that's pretty, pretty awesome. You know, I want to say thank you to the many guests that I've had on the show over this last year Cassie, ashley James, tim Justice, addie, jeff Hall, michael Key, jeff Jobert you guys have heard these people tell their stories. Some of them have been very vulnerable and open and honest with you guys. We've spoken about incest within the family, sexual abuse that lasts for decades. When you listen to Ashley's story, we've heard about, from stripper to strength with Cassie, what it was like growing up, finding that domestic violence cycle, turning to sex industry and then from there growing through that, becoming a mom, a parent and then going on to deal with some other struggles, cancer and some other things along the way.
Speaker 1:When James and Tim came on with Faith on the Front Lines, that is the best downloaded episode we've had, that is the most listened to episode we've had, and we talk about faith not only on the front lines of law enforcement. But how are we as people of faith, in our corporate world or when we go to work? You know we spend more time at work than we do at home. And if we're at home, working from home, in this new era and age of post-COVID, there's a good chance that if we do work from home, we're working. So we spend more time in front of our home office than we do around our family. Either way, we're interacting with others and what is it like to bring faith into that workplace? Are we truly who we are? Are we being our real self when we're in the work environment? Or are we putting on a mask to hide from Christianity, to be what others want us to be, to keep from upsetting the apple cart or rocking the boat?
Speaker 1:And in that episode with James and Tim and I'm going to go through these here in a second but on that Faith on the Frontline episode, that's what we talk about and we talk about our obstacles and our problems and things we've had to deal with in our own world. But not only that. We take it one step further and we go to the street and we talk to you, the listeners, and we talk about some of the issues you guys have had and we talk about overcoming some of those problems guys have had. And we talk about overcoming some of those problems and you know what does the world say, what does faith say and how do we find that happy middle in between. So that's been pretty cool. You guys heard from Jeff Hall just last week unleashing the storm. Alaska state trooper, been in jungle warfare to manhunts in Alaska's wilderness, been involved in four shootings as an Alaska state trooper, including a world famous shooting at Manly Hot Springs with a serial killer. I mean all those things.
Speaker 1:People are coming on and telling their stories. It's been a really, really cool year. We've had the meet the band episodes where you guys got to meet Michael Key and Jeff Joubert, both musicians in my band Double Down. Michael Key and Jeff Jobert, both musicians in my band Double Down. Michael Key, a Oscar-winning Hollywood makeup artist who's done Jim Carrey, the Grinch that Stole Christmas, star Trek Coneheads. Arsenio Hall, grew up on the streets of Los Angeles and then literally worked his way into the film industry, rising to the top. I mean that's a pretty awesome story and you hear about all of those things in his episode. Jeff Jobert, growing up in Los Angeles playing guitar, surfing, skateboarding, turning a life into music and transitioning out to the Pacific Northwest, ultimately playing in churches his whole life and then playing with us at Double Down. I mean you're hearing all these different stories out there over the last year and I just want to say thank you to the many, many guests that have come on and made this show absolutely possible.
Speaker 1:I want to talk about just a couple of shows real quick, just for those of you who either have not been listening. Maybe this is the first episode, but I want to just give some teasers and some reminders to those of us who have been around a while as to the shows that have really done well and picked up some traction. We're going to go all the way back to May 31st. Back on May 31st I released an episode it's going to be episode number one and the name of it was Frozen Justice a 13-year-old's experience with death. And on this episode, this is where I spoke about my experiences as a 13-year-old boy, an explorer, dealing with my first death investigation and the way that shut down my nervous system and the years and years of complications that came from that. And that episode was very well received and it's just been a great, great episode for the show and I've got a lot of feedback on it. You know people saying, hey, I didn't realize that there are other people out there that experienced some of the same stuff.
Speaker 1:You guys got to hear from my son, justice. Justice came on and recorded an episode with me episode number three and on that episode you got to hear about his experiences in life. He was born with a very significant internal birth effect, nearly died at birth and then has been a constant problem throughout his life. In fact, in 2020 it nearly killed him. He was saved on the operating table and you hear about his story. You hear about the medical conditions that he had. I'm aware of what it's like from a parent's point of view watching your child decay in front of you and there's really little you or the medical staff can do about it. But you get to hear it from his point of view. What is it like, knowing that you're dying and that your life might be coming to an end. And then what is it like on the other side of that, as a 13, 14 year old boy. This is all stuff we got to talk about, which was super cool, and I'm just glad he got to share a story because again it's going to resonate with somebody out there.
Speaker 1:How about this? Do you guys remember John Beale from episode 16 from LAPD to tragedy, fate, the failures, the Truth no Parent Could Imagine? If you guys haven't heard this episode, you should go and listen to it. John Beale is a Los Angeles police officer LAPD who came to work with me at my police department here in Oregon and a few years into the job here, all of a sudden one morning his daughter is sick and he goes to take her to the emergency room and she's a young girl and she dies in his arms and you hear about overcoming that tragedy. But then, to make it worse, just a couple years later, his son dies unexpectedly. And that is what we talk about on the show. We talk about how to overcome this and we talk about resiliency and mental health and family and love and tragedy and just all the great things that come out of it. And you know, this is the episode that truly transformed me, because I was going through, and I still am going through, some stuff where I'm separating from the church, I'm isolating, insulating and dealing with my own demons. And it was hearing John talk in this episode about how he overcame this tragedy and his walk in faith that really, really started me down the path of healing. And you know, without having this conversation with John, I don't think I would have had that conviction and that epiphany in my mind. And what I'm talking about is episode number 22.
Speaker 1:It's Unveiling Pride and it talks about me through my walk in law enforcement. You know, in law enforcement I was. I thought I was the shit. I was a homicide detective, child abuse detective. If it was sexy, it was coming to me. I got multiple television shows made about me, including Dateline. The BBC flew over from Europe to do a mini series on one of my murders.
Speaker 1:You know my head is big but I don't realize it in the moment. And pride is something I think we all deal with and we can all wrap our minds around. But it wasn't until my conversation with John where I recognized that pride was getting in the way of my relationships and my walk with God. And this is not a faith-based episode or a faith-based podcast, but I definitely don't hide away or stray away from my belief system. Even when I struggle with it, even when I'm mad at God, pissed off, hate church and don't want anything to do with it, I still talk about it on the show because those are struggles and that's what we do. We're real and transparent. But in this episode I recognize and I talk about how big my head was and how much of an asshole I was to probably those around me that had to live in my wake or got in my path. I probably steamrolled over them and pride is a sin, and that's what I talk about, and it's a very real episode where it's really hard to come out on an episode and tell people how you're messing up and how you are maybe not the person that you present yourself to be.
Speaker 1:You know, as human beings, we all want to put the best foot forward. We all want to show our best side. We all want to align ourselves with people that will make us look and feel better. It starts in kindergarten. When you show up in kindergarten as a tiny little kid that doesn't know anything about anything and you walk into that room, the first thing we do is we look around. Who in this room looks cool? Who in this room do I want to be associated with and who in this room will make me look better and make me part of the cool kids? It starts at a very young age. That doesn't stop when you go into your new job or when you go into your church or when you go into a new unit at work or whatever it is. We try to align ourselves and put our best foot forward, but on the inside we could really be dying, unraveling and nearing suicide. How many times and how many people do we know that have killed themselves and everybody's like man. I never saw it coming. He always seems so happy. That's because underneath that exterior, underneath that mask we're wearing, we could really be crumbling inside, and episode 22 talks about all of that.
Speaker 1:And then we talk about episode 23, the cold case file. I was able to solve a cold case murder that was 44 years old and we were able to get a conviction on it, and this is a case that really plagued our community for a long time. This is literally the abduction, kidnapping, beating and sexual assault of an 18-year-old college girl who was walking to college. It's Barbara Mae Tucker is the victim, and uncovering the murder at Mount Hood Community College is the name of the episode, episode 23. But we talk about not only the case and I don't talk about the details of things, but we talk about the case. But we talk about the way it was solved. We talk about the suspect, what we know about the suspect and, ultimately, the conviction.
Speaker 1:Now, what's important about this case is this case really had a profound effect on me and my mental health and my well-being. This case set me back. I came out of law enforcement not because I wanted to, but because I was diagnosed with PTSD and I knew that if I didn't come out of law enforcement after 21 years it was going to kill me and I did not want to die in my cubicle. So I came out kicking and screaming, fighting the PTSD diagnosis. Because we don't accept PTSD, it's not. We don't talk about our feelings. When I started this career 20 something years ago, we just literally washed the blood off and move on to the next call. We were tough. We just move forward and push forward and persevere. However, 20 something years later, when feelings are something we talk about, we get diagnosed with these things like PTSD or PTS injuries, and it's really, really tough, at least for me to swallow. So I came out of it.
Speaker 1:I went through there's a whole bunch of stories on my podcast here about this journey but ultimately I got on the healing side with therapy and medication. I'm able to wean myself off medication, able to get to just a maintenance doses of therapy, and after 18, 20 months I had to go back into court on this cold case. Well, that totally screwed me up because when I was numb before, when I was in law enforcement and these things didn't bother me, or at least I didn't feel the effects of them bothering me. Now I'm back in the courtroom. I'm having to relive this. I'm having to act, think and talk like a cop and be the expert in the field and see all these people crying around me. And be the expert in the field and see all these people crying around me. Now I'm just a soft, blubbering idiot and all of these feelings penetrate my internal sponge, they seep through the cracks and crevices and they saturate my sponge. Now I have all these feelings. Now my mental health is worse than the day that it was that I left law enforcement. And that is what this podcast talks about. It talks about how I'm'm still, a year later, dealing with this and dealing with everything from gastrointestinal issues to sleep deprivation to nightmares all of the stuff that comes with PTS injuries I'm still dealing with a year later. But this podcast talks specifically about the case, the solution, the suspect and how it set me back.
Speaker 1:And then what about Ashley? Do you guys remember Ashley, episode 19, surviving the Unthinkable, the Weight of Ashley's Family Secrets? Ashley is one of my victims from when I was a police officer, a detective, and Ashley came to me one day and said I have been sexually abused by my father no less than a thousand times. Between the time I was three years old and 20 years old, he got me pregnant. He aborted my baby. I had to live with that secret. I had to be his victim to protect my sister. She talks about it all. She talks about what it was like living that life, what it was like coming and asking for help and meeting me, and then what it was like on the healing side, and you get to hear all about in episode 20, which is a follow-up episode you get to hear all about. In episode 20, which is a follow-up episode. You get to hear about all the healing that has occurred as a result of her coming forward. She is such an advocate for sex abuse victims and victims in general about doing the right thing, taking care of yourself, the healing and the health that comes behind the hard day of making a report or facing your demons.
Speaker 1:Ashley is an absolute 10 and by far one of the most, if not the most, impactful guests that I've had on my show, and I spoke about it a moment ago. But the number one downloaded episode is episode number 26, faith on the Front Lines, where we talk about the dirty truth of law enforcement and faith. So on this episode I have two guests with me. There's three of us. We're going to roundtable these discussions about, like I said, faith on the front line of law enforcement, of the corporate America of your day job. What is it like to be a Christian in a world where you're a stranger, where you're a world where your partners to your left and your right might not be Christians or, if they are, maybe everybody's too scared to talk about them? We have James Doyle on the show. He's a former army infantryman turned law enforcement officer. I worked with him for years. He was involved in a critical incident where he got into an officer-involved shooting and that really affected his life and the way that he dealt with people in situations and things.
Speaker 1:Then I've got Tim. Tim is also on the show. Tim is from Mars Hill Church. He was one of the founding members of Mars Hill, was involved in the management and ministry at Mars Hill, but when Mars Hill imploded he found himself all of a sudden kind of like me your world is over. The identity that you had yesterday you no longer have. Because your world is over. The identity that you had yesterday you no longer have because your world is falling or falling apart around you, and Tim had to talk about making that left-hand turn and going and making a left-hand turn and jumping into something too quickly and how that was also devastating to him. And then he talks about where he's at now, what he's doing, how he's building his life back, and then we roundtable some conversations from you, the listeners that set in your questions about different things, be it faith or affairs or alcoholism or whatever it is, and we roundtable that and we talk about it. What is it like in the real world? Why is this happening mentally and why is this happening in our brain? What are we searching for? And then, what does the Bible say about it? So it's a really, really cool episode. Like I said, it's our number one downloaded episode of the year.
Speaker 1:Episode number 25, rapid Response my firsthand account of two active shooters. During my career, I was involved in two different active shooter situations One at a hospital, one at a school. Both situations, people died. Both situations. I was one of the first people on scene and this talks about what it is like to respond to one of those situations when the stuff you see on the news is happening in front of you and you're one of those first people running up to that building as shots are still ringing out. I talk about all of that in this episode. I talk about what it's like, what it's like to, as you run up, you remember the Columbine massacre in your head and you realize that you are now the one that's having to deal with this firsthand. So episode number 25, I talk about. I talk about what it does to me mentally, what it does to the other first responders when we have to take action and have traumatic, traumatic situations In that you're going to hear about a family of a young man that died at one of my shootings, one of these situations, and you're going to hear about how sometimes we get caught up in the in, in doing the business side of the job and we forget the human side of the job. It's a great episode. Give it a listen. Episode number 25. What about episode 29,?
Speaker 1:Policing and antidepressants? Should police officers be working under the influence of antidepressants? You know this is a topic that I hid from for years because I knew I was sick. I knew that at times I had a gun in my mouth wanting to kill myself. I knew that I needed help, but I was scared to go to the doctor in case they put me on antidepressants. And if they did and I got into an officer-involved shooting, was that going to come up and was I going to be prosecuted for being a mental case or being crazy because I needed some antidepressants?
Speaker 1:What I didn't realize is I only need the antidepressants because of the death by a thousand cuts of all the shit that we see every single day when we're at work. We shouldn't see things that we do. We shouldn't see the death, the dismemberment, the horrible things, the horrible acts against children. We shouldn't see those ever in our lives. But in my world I was seeing them every single day and I didn't realize that death by a thousand cuts in my brain, each one being a traumatic injury. That is what led me to depression and antidepressants and suicidal thoughts and all of that stuff. So in this episode I really break down. What is it like? What's that stigma, like that mental health stigma in law enforcement and the journey that led me to finally getting help. It's a great, great episode and it's an episode that I think resonates with people, because I'm not the only person out there wondering if I take antidepressants or mental health medication. Am I damaged goods? You're not.
Speaker 1:And then, just like I had the meet the band episodes, I also have episodes called typical Tuesdays. I also have episodes called Typical Tuesdays, and Typical Tuesdays are stories, cases, case reviews, case studies, where we talk about things that just happened. And you know one of them was called Typical Tuesday Kidnapping, hostage and Ransom Christy going missing, her family receiving these death threats, these hostage type text messages and the investigation that ensues to save Christy and get her reunited with her family. So you know, and this is something that occurs all the time, so this is more educational and informational as to what we do all the time. But it's stuff that I think will really resonate with people because they think it only happens on TV. They don't realize that as they sit there in their house, safe and secure, that just outside their walls there's this kind of stuff happening on a daily basis. So typical Tuesdays are stories that we talk about, that are television type stuff that we deal with every single day. So these episodes get released and over this last year, the 32 episodes we've had.
Speaker 1:Lots of listeners reach out to us and I just want to say thank you to some of them. I'm not going to identify who you are, but I am going to identify your regions and where you're from Ohio, thank you, a couple of people out in Ohio, canada, northern Canada and Southern Canada. Thank you, guys so much. Gresham, idaho two different places in Idaho Alaska, portland, texas, louisiana, oregon, grand Rapids, michigan, orlando, florida, vancouver, washington, goldendale, washington. You guys, thank you so so much for your support, your fan mail, your words, your accolades, your questions, all of it.
Speaker 1:You know, without this is an episode. This show is for you. I want you guys to be a part of this conversation. That's why I've got my Instagram page at murders to music. I want you guys to ask questions, be a part of the conversation, get it out there. Let's have this a dialogue versus a one way, one way monologue.
Speaker 1:You know, I know that we've helped people over the last year and that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to help people because my pain I don't believe my pain is without purpose. I think there's a purpose in everything that I've went through, and I don't know what. I don't know what the outcome is going to be. Ultimately, I would like to help people, you know, and I'm gonna talk about my goals in 2025 in a second. But ultimately I want to help people with what I've been through. I want people to realize that they're not the only one, whether you're a cop or whether you're a corporate, or whether you're a husband or a wife or a family or a mother or a father. I just want to help you because from any walk of life, people can understand and past law enforcement officers who have seen the trauma and they are on the edge of life and not wondering if they should go on or not, because they felt like they were the only ones. And it wasn't until they heard some of the episodes and some of my stories and the other guest stories that they realized that they're not alone. So they were able to get some help and some counseling and therapy.
Speaker 1:People, law enforcement officers and other civilians who are struggling with current work situations and life decisions faith we've spoke about faith. We've spoke about counseling. We've led people to counseling and acceptance of counseling and the brain and how the brain works, and medication and healing and recovery, and advocated for victims along the way. And these aren't things that I'm doing personally. This is stuff that the show is growing. These are things that we are doing for you, the listeners. When you hear something and it resonates to you. It's easier to take action if you know that somebody has been there before and been successful. And that is exactly what this show is meant to do. This show, the goals, are to educate, entertain and add value to people's lives. That's what I want the Murders to Music podcast to be about. That is what I want this show and this show's legacy to be about.
Speaker 1:Nothing good comes without struggles. You know and my first struggle started I mentioned it earlier what the focus of the show was going to be. Was the focus of the show going to be my streamline events and entertainment, or was it going to be mental health, or was it going to be both? And how do I make those worlds mesh? How do I mix that up, you know? And I realized that my pain had more purpose and that is where I needed to be spending my time, because I was put on this earth to help people. God put me here to help people along my way. I didn't do homicide and child abuse because I loved the crime scenes that I walked into. I did it because I was a voice and I was an advocate for those who either couldn't speak or couldn't articulate in the case of children, couldn't articulate their victimization, and that is what. Why not what? But that is why I did what I did.
Speaker 1:But then, as I start thinking about this, I'm like you know what this is, the? This is the goal of the show and what I want to do, my focus. But who really cares? Who wants to hear my stories? And how come my stories? Why should I tell them? And is this too much? Is this going to be a boring story? Is my journey through the workers' compensation hell that I've been going through for two and a half years now? Does that matter to anybody? And I found that the episodes I recorded that I thought this is going to be dumb those are the ones that got the most attention. Those are the ones people really, really resonated with and connected with.
Speaker 1:One of the other struggles over the year is focusing on numbers, being a results-driven individual and I want to see results. You know I have a podcast analytics. That's why I can tell how many people are watching and listening and where they're doing it from and what devices they're using and what time of day they do it, and all that other stuff, and it's really easy to get focused on those numbers. You know, and, for example, the last month, my numbers have dropped about 50% and it's hard not to wrap my mind around that and be like, oh my God, I should just quit this because you know I'm losing my audience. But then I realized it's been Thanksgiving. It's been Christmas, it's been New Year and everybody's been traveling. So, you know, I just need to remember focusing on the message, focus on the mission, and God will put the people in the way that need to hear this.
Speaker 1:And as long as I can help one person, I'm going to keep doing that In 2025,. You know, if I had some original goals for the show, I got to have some goals for 2025. And I need to figure out a way to help the people that are out there that participating with me. And one of the things that I want to do is I want to continue to improve some content. I want to bring some more guests on the front of the show and I really want to get out in front of large groups and speak.
Speaker 1:I love public speaking and I really think that if anybody out there is listening and you are part of a law enforcement training team, you are a part of a mental health organization, you are somebody that can use my story. Listen to the podcast to learn the story. But basically, lifelong career cop, top of his game, comes to work one day, has to go to the hospital with broken ribs, gets diagnosed PTSD, two and a half years of hell and now he is out of law enforcement doing something else and trying to use the mental health journey along the way to help others. And you know, if you guys are a part of a group or law enforcement or fire department or medical or anything corporate America, that my story can be influential to your people. Please, please, please. I would love to get in front of your group and talk. That's one of my goals in 2025.
Speaker 1:In doing that, I'm going to build this audience organically. I'm going to build the audience of the Murders to Music podcast by the people that I'm out there affecting and touching and, as a result, I'm going to meet people that I can bring onto the show and that we can have guests. I want to open up guest spots to people outside of my community. I want to open up guest spots to people outside of my community. I want to find people from the medical world. I want to find people from corporate America, because the issues and the topics that we're talking about on the show are not listen to me, I'm excited are not just related to law enforcement.
Speaker 1:Everybody can suffer from these things and have these issues. Who doesn't suffer from pride issues? Think about it. Can you honestly say you don't have a pride issue? You don't think somewhere in your world that you're the shit? Even on my most depressed day, I knew that I kicked ass in my law enforcement world and that other people wanted to be like me. I mean, that's the way I felt, whether it was right, wrong or indifferent. I'm being honest with you and I think, if we think about that, pride is something that we can all probably take a 30,000 foot view of ourselves and be like. Hold on a second. I can see where maybe there's some pride in this issue. I can see why maybe this failing relationship is failing. Well, I've been blaming them forever, but maybe it's not all their fault. Maybe I'm doing something to contribute to the problem instead of being a part of the solution. What if I changed it and approached it from this direction? Or what if I looked at it through this lens or this filter? Would it change the relationship and, if so, would it be beneficial? Those are the things that I want to do. I want to talk to those guests outside of my community so I can help a broader group of people, a broader audience. So those are some of my 2025 goals that I have.
Speaker 1:You know, again, you get caught up in those numbers and you question quitting this thing right, like, do I want to continue doing it? Is it worth doing this? Is anybody getting anything from this? And I think that's Satan. I think that is just our negativity and maybe pride again, because the numbers should be more. And, granted, I'm getting a lot of downloads and a lot of response, but, being a results-oriented guy, I always want more. You know, and it's just one of the things that I struggle with. I'm not quitting, I'm continuing. We're going to continue that improvement. Get out in front of people, build the audience organically, open up guest spots, people outside my community, and that is what I plan on doing in 2025.
Speaker 1:Well, you guys, you guys have listened to me ramble on for long enough. Now I want to say thank you. I want to say thank you to my family. I want to say thank you to my friends. I want to say thank you to all the people that I haven't met yet that are out there listening to the show all the time. You guys are always welcome to get a hold of me Murderstomusic at gmailcom. That's the number two. Everywhere else is spelled out at Murders to Music. That's Instagram. Go find the page, like it. Send me some fan mail. Please help the algorithms by giving me some five-star reviews.
Speaker 1:Let's get this conversation going in 2025. If you guys want to be a guest on the show, please reach out to me. Let's make that happen. Tell me your story. Let's talk about how we can make it help others, because each one of us has a story that can help somebody else. Every time we're in a painful situation, we can turn that pain into help for somebody else and put somebody else on the right path. So that is my idea. That's what I want to do in 2025. And, ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much from the bottom of my heart. You guys. I'm looking forward to the next year. I'm looking forward to 52 episodes. I haven't missed a week yet, ladies and gentlemen. That is the Murders to Music podcast.
